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1. The Enemy Within (Skeptical Briefs March 2003)
www.csicop.org/sb/2003-03/enem - [Cached]Published on: 3/1/2003 Last Visited: 1/9/2007
The next day, November 16, 2001, Christian Sanz, the president of the Argentine skeptic organization ASALUP [3], appeared on the same TV show to show the other side of the coin. UFOlogist Fazio was there and they held a heated debate. Sanz read the following while the audience watched the WTC video:
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This was the first time that Sanz mentioned the company Edefex. The next time was when he published an article titled "El ovni que no fue" ("The UFO that wasn't there") on the ASALUP Web site, (www.asalup.org) on November 17, 2001, one day after the television debate with Fazio.
The Private Request
The article drew the attention of journalist Alejandro Agostinelli, who wondered about the source quoted by Sanz.
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Sanz answered that he had taken the Edefex information from a Mexican UFO Web site, this being confirmed via "fax by a technical who had worked for Sci Fi." Sanz said he was sending the "papers." But nothing came.
So, on January 29, 2002, Agostinelli wrote again to Sanz asking him for a source where he could check the existence of that company. Sanz answered that the document (proving that Edefex was responsible for the making of the special effects shown on the Sci Fi Channel's video) was mislaid amongst other papers. In a move from his home to another residence, the document had disappeared: "I never searched on the Internet for Edefex and I've only trusted in a piece of paper, sent to me by a Mexican man, that has a logo who could be done by anyone who had a graphic program . . . maybe I have fallen into a stupid trap and the saddest thing is that I didn't check the info because of the hurry to make the article. Believe me, I have exhaustively searched for the sources supporting my assertions. I think I'm going to put a note on the Web site to make clear what has happened, and from now on I won't do such imbecility anymore. . . ."
Agostinelli, who knew the reliability and seriousness of the magazines that had published the article, advised Sanz to write a note clarifying the question.
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When Agostinelli asked Sanz, a few hours later, who the Mexican was that could set that trap, Sanz answered, "The guy's name is Hugo Gim nez Moreno and he is Mexican.
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On another e-mail that Sanz sent to the internal mailing list of ASALUP, Sanz says "the whole thing was handled through conventional mail." What happened was not clear, mainly because Sanz seemed to have a different answer for each person.
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And one more thing: Sanz didn't mention any source and didn't quote any author. The article published by ASALUP was signed by Sanz as if it was from its own writing. However, it looked like a copy. And that copy quoted a dubious company.
A little later, Lic. Carlos Dom'nguez pointed out to Agostinelli and I another copy made by Sanz.
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This was an earlier article about the Fox sisters, "La Casa de los Espiritus" ("The House of the Spirits") that was published by January-February 2001 in the CAIRP's twelfth newsletter [6], signed by Sanz.
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Sanz added only a paragraph at the beginning and end, and put the whole article under his own name.
The Public Request Begins
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They said that there was no evidence regarding the copy that Sanz had made of the Mexican article, and that the Edefex quote could be a mistake.
It is very strange to maintain a "mistake" online for ten months, particularly when the author, president of the association, had been notified of it and said that he was going to correct it.
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However, on October 9, 2002, in a message sent to the mailing list "Incredulos," Sanz says, ". . . what I told Agostinelli is that I needed time to show him a fax sent to me by the first researchers of this item."
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Until this e-mail, Sanz had never talked about a fax in a public list. He had mentioned a document, a paper, but not a fax. He had also referred to a fax in the ASALUP internal mailing list on October 7, 2002, "I wrote to the (Mexican) guys and they answered quickly.
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Sanz also mentioned a "technical" who has worked for the Sci Fi Channel.
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Sanz was alternating two different names all the time, and the imprecise description technical.
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Why had Sanz signed a copied article as if he had written it? Where is the evidence that Edefex exists?), while the rest of ASALUP members inverted the burden of the proof: they asked Seifert to prove that Sanz was wrong.
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Sanz was the (supposed) author of the article, the one who quoted a (non-existent) company, and the recipient of the fax.
Edefex Could Be Edefx
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And this fact caused Sanz and the rest of ASALUP members to begin talking about Edefx instead of Edefex. So it was easy for Sanz to search for this name on the Internet and get all the company data. The question is: how could he receive a fax with an Edefex logo in November 2001, when he knew about the true company data on October 2002? There seems to be two options: Either he received a falsified fax or he invented one.
The "Materialization" of the Fax
On October 15, 2002, Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP. Where and when did he find that fax? He never answered that.
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There is no way to contact the man who supposedly sent that fax to Sanz (claimed to be either Hugo Gimenez Moreno or Arturo Lugo).
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Anyway, nobody could contact Arturo Lugo, who supposedly gave Sanz his authorization to reproduce fragments of his article.
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On point number 5) I say that Sanz received that fax just before his supposed presentation on a TV show, because until that moment he had said that he had received the fax the same day he went to the TV debate with Fazio, though in another e-mail (see above) he said that he received the fax and the day after he showed it on TV.
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As can be seen, the fax is dated November 19, 2001, so one could expect that the TV debate was held on the same day, as Sanz and Maraschi said.
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Sanz Resigns from ASALUP
When the members of ASALUP were aware of all the "mistakes" contained in that fax, they had no choice: Sanz was asked to resign the presidency of ASALUP.
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Remember that Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP on October 15, and they published it on their Web site on November 12.
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Once they "finished up" with this burning question, they continued to hold lectures with Mr. Sanz as the lecturer. (Remember that he was asked to resign by ASALUP members.)
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Three of the people who accused Sanz and ASALUP were censored and "moderated" in the mailing list "Incredulos," and two of them, Agostinelli and Seifert, were fired by the list administrator Sebastion Bassi.
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5. Sanz ignored that evidence of the copy remained in the Google engine search cache. -
2. The Enemy Within (Skeptical Briefs March 2003)
www.csicop.org/sb/2003-03/enem - [Cached]Published on: 3/1/2003 Last Visited: 11/23/2006
The next day, November 16, 2001, Christian Sanz, the president of the Argentine skeptic organization ASALUP [3], appeared on the same TV show to show the other side of the coin. UFOlogist Fazio was there and they held a heated debate. Sanz read the following while the audience watched the WTC video:
...
This was the first time that Sanz mentioned the company Edefex. The next time was when he published an article titled "El ovni que no fue" ("The UFO that wasn't there") on the ASALUP Web site, (www.asalup.org) on November 17, 2001, one day after the television debate with Fazio.
The Private Request
The article drew the attention of journalist Alejandro Agostinelli, who wondered about the source quoted by Sanz.
...
Sanz answered that he had taken the Edefex information from a Mexican UFO Web site, this being confirmed via "fax by a technical who had worked for Sci Fi." Sanz said he was sending the "papers." But nothing came.
So, on January 29, 2002, Agostinelli wrote again to Sanz asking him for a source where he could check the existence of that company. Sanz answered that the document (proving that Edefex was responsible for the making of the special effects shown on the Sci Fi Channel's video) was mislaid amongst other papers. In a move from his home to another residence, the document had disappeared: "I never searched on the Internet for Edefex and I've only trusted in a piece of paper, sent to me by a Mexican man, that has a logo who could be done by anyone who had a graphic program . . . maybe I have fallen into a stupid trap and the saddest thing is that I didn't check the info because of the hurry to make the article. Believe me, I have exhaustively searched for the sources supporting my assertions. I think I'm going to put a note on the Web site to make clear what has happened, and from now on I won't do such imbecility anymore. . . ."
Agostinelli, who knew the reliability and seriousness of the magazines that had published the article, advised Sanz to write a note clarifying the question.
...
When Agostinelli asked Sanz, a few hours later, who the Mexican was that could set that trap, Sanz answered, "The guy's name is Hugo Gim nez Moreno and he is Mexican.
...
On another e-mail that Sanz sent to the internal mailing list of ASALUP, Sanz says "the whole thing was handled through conventional mail." What happened was not clear, mainly because Sanz seemed to have a different answer for each person.
...
And one more thing: Sanz didn't mention any source and didn't quote any author. The article published by ASALUP was signed by Sanz as if it was from its own writing. However, it looked like a copy. And that copy quoted a dubious company.
A little later, Lic. Carlos Dom'nguez pointed out to Agostinelli and I another copy made by Sanz.
...
This was an earlier article about the Fox sisters, "La Casa de los Espiritus" ("The House of the Spirits") that was published by January-February 2001 in the CAIRP's twelfth newsletter [6], signed by Sanz.
...
Sanz added only a paragraph at the beginning and end, and put the whole article under his own name.
The Public Request Begins
...
They said that there was no evidence regarding the copy that Sanz had made of the Mexican article, and that the Edefex quote could be a mistake.
It is very strange to maintain a "mistake" online for ten months, particularly when the author, president of the association, had been notified of it and said that he was going to correct it.
...
However, on October 9, 2002, in a message sent to the mailing list "Incredulos," Sanz says, ". . . what I told Agostinelli is that I needed time to show him a fax sent to me by the first researchers of this item."
...
Until this e-mail, Sanz had never talked about a fax in a public list. He had mentioned a document, a paper, but not a fax. He had also referred to a fax in the ASALUP internal mailing list on October 7, 2002, "I wrote to the (Mexican) guys and they answered quickly.
...
Sanz also mentioned a "technical" who has worked for the Sci Fi Channel.
...
Sanz was alternating two different names all the time, and the imprecise description technical.
...
Why had Sanz signed a copied article as if he had written it? Where is the evidence that Edefex exists?), while the rest of ASALUP members inverted the burden of the proof: they asked Seifert to prove that Sanz was wrong.
...
Sanz was the (supposed) author of the article, the one who quoted a (non-existent) company, and the recipient of the fax.
Edefex Could Be Edefx
...
And this fact caused Sanz and the rest of ASALUP members to begin talking about Edefx instead of Edefex. So it was easy for Sanz to search for this name on the Internet and get all the company data. The question is: how could he receive a fax with an Edefex logo in November 2001, when he knew about the true company data on October 2002? There seems to be two options: Either he received a falsified fax or he invented one.
The "Materialization" of the Fax
On October 15, 2002, Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP. Where and when did he find that fax? He never answered that.
...
There is no way to contact the man who supposedly sent that fax to Sanz (claimed to be either Hugo Gimenez Moreno or Arturo Lugo).
...
Anyway, nobody could contact Arturo Lugo, who supposedly gave Sanz his authorization to reproduce fragments of his article.
...
On point number 5) I say that Sanz received that fax just before his supposed presentation on a TV show, because until that moment he had said that he had received the fax the same day he went to the TV debate with Fazio, though in another e-mail (see above) he said that he received the fax and the day after he showed it on TV.
...
As can be seen, the fax is dated November 19, 2001, so one could expect that the TV debate was held on the same day, as Sanz and Maraschi said.
...
Sanz Resigns from ASALUP
When the members of ASALUP were aware of all the "mistakes" contained in that fax, they had no choice: Sanz was asked to resign the presidency of ASALUP.
...
Remember that Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP on October 15, and they published it on their Web site on November 12.
...
Once they "finished up" with this burning question, they continued to hold lectures with Mr. Sanz as the lecturer. (Remember that he was asked to resign by ASALUP members.)
...
Three of the people who accused Sanz and ASALUP were censored and "moderated" in the mailing list "Incredulos," and two of them, Agostinelli and Seifert, were fired by the list administrator Sebastion Bassi.
...
5. Sanz ignored that evidence of the copy remained in the Google engine search cache. -
3. The Enemy Within (Skeptical Briefs March 2003)
www.csicop.org/sb/2003-03/enem - [Cached]Published on: 3/1/2003 Last Visited: 9/19/2006
The next day, November 16, 2001, Christian Sanz, the president of the Argentine skeptic organization ASALUP [3], appeared on the same TV show to show the other side of the coin. UFOlogist Fazio was there and they held a heated debate. Sanz read the following while the audience watched the WTC video:
...
This was the first time that Sanz mentioned the company Edefex. The next time was when he published an article titled "El ovni que no fue" ("The UFO that wasn't there") on the ASALUP Web site, (www.asalup.org) on November 17, 2001, one day after the television debate with Fazio.
The Private Request
The article drew the attention of journalist Alejandro Agostinelli, who wondered about the source quoted by Sanz.
...
Sanz answered that he had taken the Edefex information from a Mexican UFO Web site, this being confirmed via "fax by a technical who had worked for Sci Fi." Sanz said he was sending the "papers." But nothing came.
So, on January 29, 2002, Agostinelli wrote again to Sanz asking him for a source where he could check the existence of that company. Sanz answered that the document (proving that Edefex was responsible for the making of the special effects shown on the Sci Fi Channel's video) was mislaid amongst other papers. In a move from his home to another residence, the document had disappeared: "I never searched on the Internet for Edefex and I've only trusted in a piece of paper, sent to me by a Mexican man, that has a logo who could be done by anyone who had a graphic program . . . maybe I have fallen into a stupid trap and the saddest thing is that I didn't check the info because of the hurry to make the article. Believe me, I have exhaustively searched for the sources supporting my assertions. I think I'm going to put a note on the Web site to make clear what has happened, and from now on I won't do such imbecility anymore. . . ."
Agostinelli, who knew the reliability and seriousness of the magazines that had published the article, advised Sanz to write a note clarifying the question.
...
When Agostinelli asked Sanz, a few hours later, who the Mexican was that could set that trap, Sanz answered, "The guy's name is Hugo Gim nez Moreno and he is Mexican.
...
On another e-mail that Sanz sent to the internal mailing list of ASALUP, Sanz says "the whole thing was handled through conventional mail." What happened was not clear, mainly because Sanz seemed to have a different answer for each person.
...
And one more thing: Sanz didn't mention any source and didn't quote any author. The article published by ASALUP was signed by Sanz as if it was from its own writing. However, it looked like a copy. And that copy quoted a dubious company.
A little later, Lic. Carlos Dom'nguez pointed out to Agostinelli and I another copy made by Sanz.
...
This was an earlier article about the Fox sisters, "La Casa de los Espiritus" ("The House of the Spirits") that was published by January-February 2001 in the CAIRP's twelfth newsletter [6], signed by Sanz.
...
Sanz added only a paragraph at the beginning and end, and put the whole article under his own name.
The Public Request Begins
...
They said that there was no evidence regarding the copy that Sanz had made of the Mexican article, and that the Edefex quote could be a mistake.
It is very strange to maintain a "mistake" online for ten months, particularly when the author, president of the association, had been notified of it and said that he was going to correct it.
...
However, on October 9, 2002, in a message sent to the mailing list "Incredulos," Sanz says, ". . . what I told Agostinelli is that I needed time to show him a fax sent to me by the first researchers of this item."
...
Until this e-mail, Sanz had never talked about a fax in a public list. He had mentioned a document, a paper, but not a fax. He had also referred to a fax in the ASALUP internal mailing list on October 7, 2002, "I wrote to the (Mexican) guys and they answered quickly.
...
Sanz also mentioned a "technical" who has worked for the Sci Fi Channel.
...
Sanz was alternating two different names all the time, and the imprecise description technical.
...
Why had Sanz signed a copied article as if he had written it? Where is the evidence that Edefex exists?), while the rest of ASALUP members inverted the burden of the proof: they asked Seifert to prove that Sanz was wrong.
...
Sanz was the (supposed) author of the article, the one who quoted a (non-existent) company, and the recipient of the fax.
Edefex Could Be Edefx
...
And this fact caused Sanz and the rest of ASALUP members to begin talking about Edefx instead of Edefex. So it was easy for Sanz to search for this name on the Internet and get all the company data. The question is: how could he receive a fax with an Edefex logo in November 2001, when he knew about the true company data on October 2002? There seems to be two options: Either he received a falsified fax or he invented one.
The "Materialization" of the Fax
On October 15, 2002, Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP. Where and when did he find that fax? He never answered that.
...
There is no way to contact the man who supposedly sent that fax to Sanz (claimed to be either Hugo Gimenez Moreno or Arturo Lugo).
...
Anyway, nobody could contact Arturo Lugo, who supposedly gave Sanz his authorization to reproduce fragments of his article.
...
On point number 5) I say that Sanz received that fax just before his supposed presentation on a TV show, because until that moment he had said that he had received the fax the same day he went to the TV debate with Fazio, though in another e-mail (see above) he said that he received the fax and the day after he showed it on TV.
...
As can be seen, the fax is dated November 19, 2001, so one could expect that the TV debate was held on the same day, as Sanz and Maraschi said.
...
Sanz Resigns from ASALUP
When the members of ASALUP were aware of all the "mistakes" contained in that fax, they had no choice: Sanz was asked to resign the presidency of ASALUP.
...
Remember that Sanz showed the fax to the members of ASALUP on October 15, and they published it on their Web site on November 12.
...
Once they "finished up" with this burning question, they continued to hold lectures with Mr. Sanz as the lecturer. (Remember that he was asked to resign by ASALUP members.)
...
Three of the people who accused Sanz and ASALUP were censored and "moderated" in the mailing list "Incredulos," and two of them, Agostinelli and Seifert, were fired by the list administrator Sebastion Bassi.
...
5. Sanz ignored that evidence of the copy remained in the Google engine search cache.
