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Before you decide it isn't really church, or that Tim Reid isn't really a minister, you should visit Mosaic.
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Before you decide it isn't really church, or that Tim Reid isn't really a minister, you should visit Mosaic.
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Tim Reid
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Tim Reid
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IMO, Mr. Reid is no different from the owners of said station - plenty of lip service and pretty quotes in public, but when it gets right down to it there's no substance or proof of a transformed life at all.
As for being an "Arminian with a passion for the lost", from his actions, I would say that's debatable.
However, that's just my opinion, whatever it's worth.
I realize your motivation for the post in the first place was not meant to be a debate on Tim Reid or Club Fathom.
But, it seems to me the controversey surrounding this "ministry" has little to do with people who are "untouchables" and a lot more to do with the way he himself conducts his business affairs and his life in front of a watching world.
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IMO, Mr. Reid is no different from the owners of said station - plenty of lip service and pretty quotes in public, but when it gets right down to it there's no substance or proof of a transformed life at all.
As for being an "Arminian with a passion for the lost", from his actions, I would say that's debatable.
However, that's just my opinion, whatever it's worth.
I realize your motivation for the post in the first place was not meant to be a debate on Tim Reid or Club Fathom.
But, it seems to me the controversey surrounding this "ministry" has little to do with people who are "untouchables" and a lot more to do with the way he himself conducts his business affairs and his life in front of a watching world.
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My post has little to do with Tim Reid and more to do with my own heart.
You said that I am giving him too much credit, but from my point of view the strong opinions that you and others have about Club Fathom are allowing you to read too much into what I wrote.
From what I can tell based on articles and word of mouth, Reid is simply an Arminian with a passion for the lost . . . who (I think we agree on this) is not as reflective about things as we'd like him to be.
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My post has little to do with Tim Reid and more to do with my own heart.
You said that I am giving him too much credit, but from my point of view the strong opinions that you and others have about Club Fathom are allowing you to read too much into what I wrote.
From what I can tell based on articles and word of mouth, Reid is simply an Arminian with a passion for the lost . . . who (I think we agree on this) is not as reflective about things as we'd like him to be.
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Regardless of whether I misheard something or if there was some misinformation, I still have not changed my mind about "Pastor" Tim Reid.
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Regardless of whether I misheard something or if there was some misinformation, I still have not changed my mind about "Pastor" Tim Reid.
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[quote post="748"]Tim Reid is nothing like Jesus.
True, He wants people to come as they are, but they never left the same way they came.[/quote] So how many people would you typically expect to be saved at a properly run Christian night club?
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[quote post="748"]Tim Reid is nothing like Jesus.
True, He wants people to come as they are, but they never left the same way they came.[/quote]
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Tim Reid is nothing like Jesus.
True, He wants people to come as they are, but they never left the same way they came.
Mr. Reid has done nothing to help the situation caused by his business - and it is a business which uses the "nonprofit ministry" designation to skirt the responsibilities that come with owning a teen hangout.
I know people who have dealt with him and he's been less-than-upright in his dealings with people, and he ran away from some of them as well, not wanting to take responsibility for his mistakes.
Typical.
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Tim Reid is nothing like Jesus.
True, He wants people to come as they are, but they never left the same way they came.
Mr. Reid has done nothing to help the situation caused by his business - and it is a business which uses the "nonprofit ministry" designation to skirt the responsibilities that come with owning a teen hangout.
I know people who have dealt with him and he's been less-than-upright in his dealings with people, and he ran away from some of them as well, not wanting to take responsibility for his mistakes.
Typical.
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For all the controversy, I still applaud Reid for being willing to get his hands dirty. [/quote] This is true..i also do applaud him.. maybe he just needs organizaiton and help from other churches?... with all the bad publicity i bet it is hard to find support.
[quote comment="7473"] the point that I hope is not lost is that we are often like the priest and the Levite in the Parable of the Good Samaritan: seeking complacency and comfort by protecting ourselves from the needs of others.
For all the controversy, I still applaud Reid for being willing to get his hands dirty.
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This is true..i also do applaud him.. maybe he just needs organizaiton and help from other churches?... with all the bad publicity i bet it is hard to find support.