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  Brad Miller and second round pick to Chicago for Drew Gooden and Tyrus Thomas....
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  why the kings do it? they move Miller for a expiring contract (Gooden) and a young athletic player (Thomas).....
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  I'd rather trade Miller for Wallace straight-up to get our starting 3, as I think we'd be a better team with Wallace at the 3 backed up by Donte, rather than Donte starting at the three and Tyrus backing up JT and Spencer.
  
  So, I would be willing to throw Portland our 2nd round pick (Since Petrie can't seem to do anything with them), or maybe even consider Houston's first, to secure Bayless. (I doubt we'd be able to get anyone as good as Bayless with the Houston pick anyway) And I'd still rather trade Miller for Wallace to secure our 3 spot, instead of going with Gooden and Thomas.
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  Brad Miller and second round pick to Chicago for Drew Gooden and Tyrus Thomas....
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  why the kings do it? they move Miller for a expiring contract (Gooden) and a young athletic player (Thomas).....
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  Trade Salmons and Miller while they have value.

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  Brad Miller - Forward/Center, Charlotte

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  Brad Miller
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  Also fumbled several good looking backdoor passes by Brad.
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  Miller ( B+ ) -- combined with Cisco for all our early points, and was pretty smooth both with the jumper, and cutting down inside to take passes for layups. Started bricking the jumper as the game went along, but began to put up big rebounding numbers mucking around inside off of his own misses and getting little follows.
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  Martin ( C ) -- came into the game trying to do work as a passer, and set up Miller nicely for a layup with one of them.
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  Great attempt to hero us back into it with 3 minutes to go, after Brad and Kevin misconnected on a backdoor pass (and with Kevin throwing his head back and quitting on the play) Bobby (who does not quit) snuck behind a casual Iverson in the backcourt, stole the ball, and then dribbeled into the corner to can the big three in Stuckey's face.
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  Jason's the Kings power forward RIGHT NOW, Spencer the Kings center in the future - like when Brad is traded (hopefully soon).
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  Brad's 25 and 16 didn't impress me as much as a 25 and 16 game should.

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  Scouting Report: Brad Miller (UPDATED 12/4/08) Bricklayer

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  Lamar Odom brings up a good point, but i think trading Bibby and Brad for young peices like Deng or Vajerao will really help our future.
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  Since this has been moved to the "personnel" section, who can we get for our "studs" (Miller, Bibby, SAR, Thomas)?
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  Brad has his moments on D as he did last night at SA and keeping Duncan in check.He is a great passer, but is much more suited to the Princeton system under RA then Muss so if we are going to make a run at KG this is the time!
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  Brad has his moments on D as he did last night at SA and keeping Duncan in check.He is a great passer, but is much more suited to the Princeton system under RA then Muss so if we are going to make a run at KG this is the time!
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  Dwight Howard and Darko Milicic are much more intimidating than Brad Miller and Kenny Thomas.
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  What do you think about Bibby and Miller for Knight and Okafor.
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  What do you think about Bibby and Miller for Knight and Okafor.
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  In any case, with the ending contracts (which I went back and added) the 3 most oddball pieces are Brad, Reef and Kenny.
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  So if we did that we'd have 2 1st round picks in a loaded draft, a young shotblocker, a young PG, some other pieces, all while keeping Ron, Martin, and Brad which I think will keep us competitive.
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  Keep Kevin and Ron, trade Mike, Brad, SAR and KT for youth, enders and picks -- preferably from this draft where possible.
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  Outgoing Players: Vitaly Potapenko, Brad Miller, Jason Hart, Corliss Williamson
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  Brad Miller to Orlando for Milicic+ Dooling/Ariza/Garrity.Miller with Howard would be a very good frontcourt, with the passing and mid range shoots of Miller and the rebounds, dunks and blocks of Howard.Miller with Howard would be a very good frontcourt, with the passing and mid range shoots of Miller and the rebounds, dunks and blocks of Howard.
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  Outgoing Players: Vitaly Potapenko, Brad Miller, Jason Hart, Corliss Williamson
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  Brad Miller to Orlando for Milicic+ Dooling/Ariza/Garrity.Miller with Howard would be a very good frontcourt, with the passing and mid range shoots of Miller and the rebounds, dunks and blocks of Howard.Miller with Howard would be a very good frontcourt, with the passing and mid range shoots of Miller and the rebounds, dunks and blocks of Howard.
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  West is as anomalous among PGs as Brad Miller is among Cs, and while "homeless man's Kidd" is close, there's really nobody else quite like him.

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  And everyone in the free world knows Geoff Petrie is looking for a legitimate back-up to Brad Miller.
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  Since Vlade, we haven't had a decent center, Brad isn't a center since he plays away from the hoop.He's a SF or guard or something, I don't know, but not a stay around the basket and get the rebound center, we all know that.
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  Ely, a decent journeyman big with ok numbers to backup Brad.
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  I don't know if you can really call Brad a 7 footer since he plays smaller and away from the basket, but what the heck ... we have a cheap big.
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  Honestly, I would trade Kenny Thomas or Brad Miller before I try to trade Reef.
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  Which means that the grand total of our not that special shotblocker's minutes will, at most, be the roughly 10-15 behind Brad.
  
  And yes, shotblocking is more important than a post defender, because the shotblocking makes the other eleven guys better basketball players, and the 12 guys ont he other team worse basketball players.
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  Which means that the grand total of our not that special shotblocker's minutes will be the roughly 10-15 behind Brad.
  
  And yes, shotblocking is more important than a post defender, because the shotblocking makes the other eleven guys better basketball players, and the 12 guys ont he other team worse basketball players.
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  Which means that the grand total of our not that special shotblocker's minutes will, at most, be the roughly 10-15 behind Brad.
  
  And yes, shotblocking is more important than a post defender, because the shotblocking makes the other eleven guys better basketball players, and the 12 guys ont he other team worse basketball players.
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  I think moving Brad Miller for a defensive center would be much wiser and better but the question is which team will bite and trade their defensive center for a soft shooting center like Brad Miller?
  
  Kings11308-17-2006, 01:08 AMI'd still be absolutely all over Brad for Camby. :)
  
  BMiller5208-17-2006, 01:34 AMNot saying Reef is a defensive presence.I'm just simply stating that He plays better defense than Brad Miller and has a nice offensive game plus costs half the price.I think moving Brad Miller for a defensive center would be much wiser and better but the question is which team will bite and trade their defensive center for a soft shooting center like Brad Miller?
  
  I honestly think that'll change this year.Before he broke his leg Miller was a pretty good defender/rebounder, now he looks great in the WC and he'll be pushed harder by Musselman.The fact that he's like 4 inches taller helps too.
  
  Oh and 82games.com's stats say Reef is a very bad defender: http://www.82games.com/rosenbaum3.htm
  
  BMiller5208-17-2006, 01:34 AMI'd still be absolutely all over Brad for Camby. :)
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  On some nights, when Miller just wasn't quite there, I think a number of us really would have liked to see Tag in - until it got to the point where he was so out of shape that he looked like Tractor Traylor.
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  On some nights, when Miller just wasn't quite there, I think a number of us really would have liked to see Tag in - until it got to the point where he was so out of shape that he looked like Tractor Traylor.
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  Loren Woods in his 10 odd minutes per game will do nothing to improve our D and with Miller, SAR and Thomas on the roster, I just can't see him getting any more than 10-odd mpg and that doesn't include playing him every game.
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  Also if nothing else it could have given Brad a little time to rest.

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  But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players.The one thing I do like about KT is that he does crash the offensive boards VERY well.As a starter for us I believe he was getting 3 offensive boards per game which isnt all that bad.
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  But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players.
  
  That's a good point Gary ...
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  To bring in a PF (Griffin) to compliment Brad or a C (Nazr/Magloire/Gadz) that compliments KT.
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  Unless we keep Potapenko and Brad's not here, that could be fine.
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  To bring in a PF (Griffin) to compliment Brad or a C (Nazr/Magloire/Gadz) that compliments KT.
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  Unless we keep Potapenko and Brad's not here, that could be fine.
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  Brad Miller is at least a unique enough talent that it's worth going out of your way to find patches to cover his defensive liablilites.
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  That would leave us with MLE and LLE to throw at other bigs to complement Brad, SAR and E. Thomas.
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  I don't like it as much as the first, but we'd have to deal Brad to get Gadz or Magloire/Mo.
  
  LPKingsFan06-08-2006, 07:06 AMMagloire/Mo maybe, but I think the Bucks would be delighted with a Bogut/SAR frontcourt.Gadz for Brad would be a terrible deal.
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  But I'd rather have Miller than Booth, especially considering that if Artest and Bonzi come back and we run the offense through them in the post, we're going to need Miller's jumper to space the floor.
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  If we keep Bonzi, I don't think we should get rid of Brad b/c Brad covers one of Bonzi's weaknesses (shooting) and Bonzi covers some of Brad's (rebounding, toughness).
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  If we keep Bonzi, I don't think we should get rid of Brad b/c Brad covers one of Bonzi's weaknesses (shooting) and Bonzi covers some of Brad's (rebounding, toughness).
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  Then pick up another one and have him back up Brad.
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  4 signing Tim Thomas, and trading Brad for a defensive center.
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  5 signing TT, and keeping Brad.

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  But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players.The one thing I do like about KT is that he does crash the offensive boards VERY well.As a starter for us I believe he was getting 3 offensive boards per game which isnt all that bad.
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  But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players.
  
  That's a good point Gary ...
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  To bring in a PF (Griffin) to compliment Brad or a C (Nazr/Magloire/Gadz) that compliments KT.
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  Unless we keep Potapenko and Brad's not here, that could be fine.
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  To bring in a PF (Griffin) to compliment Brad or a C (Nazr/Magloire/Gadz) that compliments KT.
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  Unless we keep Potapenko and Brad's not here, that could be fine.
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  Brad Miller is at least a unique enough talent that it's worth going out of your way to find patches to cover his defensive liablilites.
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  That would leave us with MLE and LLE to throw at other bigs to complement Brad, SAR and E. Thomas.
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  I don't like it as much as the first, but we'd have to deal Brad to get Gadz or Magloire/Mo.
  
  LPKingsFan06-08-2006, 06:06 AMMagloire/Mo maybe, but I think the Bucks would be delighted with a Bogut/SAR frontcourt.Gadz for Brad would be a terrible deal.
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  But I'd rather have Miller than Booth, especially considering that if Artest and Bonzi come back and we run the offense through them in the post, we're going to need Miller's jumper to space the floor.
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  If we keep Bonzi, I don't think we should get rid of Brad b/c Brad covers one of Bonzi's weaknesses (shooting) and Bonzi covers some of Brad's (rebounding, toughness).
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  If we keep Bonzi, I don't think we should get rid of Brad b/c Brad covers one of Bonzi's weaknesses (shooting) and Bonzi covers some of Brad's (rebounding, toughness).
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  Then pick up another one and have him back up Brad.
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  4 signing Tim Thomas, and trading Brad for a defensive center.
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  5 signing TT, and keeping Brad.

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  Brad- things never go your way it seems
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  Yes, I can see where the comparisons to Ricky Davis come from--super athletic, smooth jumpshot, boneheaded, forces things--but I don't think it's that bad; come on, the guy had a reverse dunk over Brad Miller in double OT, and he hit a clutch three. The Clips are clearly making him their go-to guy (yes, a rookie who got snubbed in the rookie-soph game their go-to guy) and because he's still a rookie, you've got to take the good with the bad. Yeah, I know he had 10 turnovers (screwed my fantasy) in that game against Philly, but come on, he's a guy definitely on the rise and he's had the benefit of extra playing time. And I don't think he has any selfishness issues to speak of--seeing the game, he's only taking the scoring load because the Clippers need it. If he were on our team, I'm not saying he'd be our next young cultivation of G-Wall--but come on, the athleticism is nearly uncanny, and the guy has a jumpshot. While I like Hawes, particularly with the blocks he's accumulated the past couple of games, I don't think he has quite the upside Thornton has. I mean, he'll be good for us and perhaps an heir apparent to Brad Miller, but we saw why Thornton was so good last night.
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  Yes, I can see where the comparisons to Ricky Davis come from--super athletic, smooth jumpshot, boneheaded, forces things--but I don't think it's that bad; come on, the guy had a reverse dunk over Brad Miller in double OT, and he hit a clutch three. The Clips are clearly making him their go-to guy (yes, a rookie who got snubbed in the rookie-soph game their go-to guy) and because he's still a rookie, you've got to take the good with the bad. Yeah, I know he had 10 turnovers (screwed my fantasy) in that game against Philly, but come on, he's a guy definitely on the rise and he's had the benefit of extra playing time. And I don't think he has any selfishness issues to speak of--seeing the game, he's only taking the scoring load because the Clippers need it. If he were on our team, I'm not saying he'd be our next young cultivation of G-Wall--but come on, the athleticism is nearly uncanny, and the guy has a jumpshot. While I like Hawes, particularly with the blocks he's accumulated the past couple of games, I don't think he has quite the upside Thornton has. I mean, he'll be good for us and perhaps an heir apparent to Brad Miller, but we saw why Thornton was so good last night.
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  Yes, I can see where the comparisons to Ricky Davis come from--super athletic, smooth jumpshot, boneheaded, forces things--but I don't think it's that bad; come on, the guy had a reverse dunk over Brad Miller in double OT, and he hit a clutch three. The Clips are clearly making him their go-to guy (yes, a rookie who got snubbed in the rookie-soph game their go-to guy) and because he's still a rookie, you've got to take the good with the bad. Yeah, I know he had 10 turnovers (screwed my fantasy) in that game against Philly, but come on, he's a guy definitely on the rise and he's had the benefit of extra playing time. And I don't think he has any selfishness issues to speak of--seeing the game, he's only taking the scoring load because the Clippers need it. If he were on our team, I'm not saying he'd be our next young cultivation of G-Wall--but come on, the athleticism is nearly uncanny, and the guy has a jumpshot. While I like Hawes, particularly with the blocks he's accumulated the past couple of games, I don't think he has quite the upside Thornton has. I mean, he'll be good for us and perhaps an heir apparent to Brad Miller, but we saw why Thornton was so good last night.
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  If Spencer takes after Brad or Vlade I'll be happy ... that's probably closer than Kaman, I think.
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  If Spencer takes after Brad or Vlade I'll be happy ... that's probably closer than Kaman, I think.
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  I do see him become an offensive inside-outside guy at his prime with passing skills, sort of like Miller or Divac.
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  Spencer already has more post moves than Brad.
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  Spencer already has more post moves than Brad.
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  That's not saying much, I mean I have more post moves than Brad
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  Spencer already has more post moves than Brad.
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  I do see him become an offensive inside-outside guy at his prime with passing skills, sort of like Miller or Divac.
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  Yes, I can see where the comparisons to Ricky Davis come from--super athletic, smooth jumpshot, boneheaded, forces things--but I don't think it's that bad; come on, the guy had a reverse dunk over Brad Miller in double OT, and he hit a clutch three. The Clips are clearly making him their go-to guy (yes, a rookie who got snubbed in the rookie-soph game their go-to guy) and because he's still a rookie, you've got to take the good with the bad. Yeah, I know he had 10 turnovers (screwed my fantasy) in that game against Philly, but come on, he's a guy definitely on the rise and he's had the benefit of extra playing time. And I don't think he has any selfishness issues to speak of--seeing the game, he's only taking the scoring load because the Clippers need it. If he were on our team, I'm not saying he'd be our next young cultivation of G-Wall--but come on, the athleticism is nearly uncanny, and the guy has a jumpshot. While I like Hawes, particularly with the blocks he's accumulated the past couple of games, I don't think he has quite the upside Thornton has. I mean, he'll be good for us and perhaps an heir apparent to Brad Miller, but we saw why Thornton was so good last night.
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  If Spencer takes after Brad or Vlade I'll be happy ... that's probably closer than Kaman, I think.

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  Place all the ideas of who and what we can get for Brad Miller in this thread.
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  The Kings have plenty of scorers, either Miller or SAR/Thomas need to go for someone with a set of defensive minded balls.
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  This is a fair post and I think we've given Miller enough time.He has not done anything in the playoffs except ruin our hopes of winning by playing no defense or rebounding.
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  Anyways, maybe we can get like atlanta's draft pick for Brad and pick Aldridge?
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  This is a fair post and I think we've given Miller enough time.He has not done anything in the playoffs except ruin our hopes of winning by playing no defense or rebounding.
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  Brad was NOT the only person who had a bad game.
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  Brad was NOT the only person who had a bad game.
  
  I'm sorry VF21.I'm not trying to personally attack Brad Miller or any Kings players.I'm just trying to collect some ideas from people.This thread does not only reflect this game but the overall game of our center.
  
  I just think that Brad is a center that's built for the season.It's not Brad's fault that he sucked today.
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  Rome - Your initial post was full of a lot of venom about Miller.That's problematic at best.He's still a member of our team and we don't need to start bashing him for a bad performance.
  
  That's gone on around way too much in the recent past.
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  I just think that Brad is a center that's built for the season.It's not Brad's fault that he sucked today.
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  But Brad Miller is the center we have.Good, bad or otherwise, he's the one we brung to the dance and he's the one we're gonna have through the playoffs.
  
  thesanityannex04-22-2006, 05:26 PMBut Brad Miller is the center we have.Good, bad or otherwise, he's the one we brung to the dance and he's the one we're gonna have through the playoffs.
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  Even Dirk is a better rebounder than Brad.
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  Brad stunk it up, BAD!I can bet you anything his teammates are ripping him.If not they should.His stat line tells the whole story.
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  Place all the ideas of who and what we can get for Brad Miller in this thread.So people are finally starting to see what I've been saying all year long.Soon people will be jumping on the Trade Bonzi Wells bandwagon for a legit shooting guard.I will say this though, if we want to have a legitimate shot at winning the Championship, Brad Miller as a C won't make it happen.
  
  Rome04-22-2006, 06:29 PMAS i said b4.Brad is only good for the season.He will get his 15 ppg, 5 assists and 7 rebounds but when it comes to the playoffs you might as well call him a choker.
  
  In the playoffs he averages 10 ppg, 2 assists, and just 6 boards while allowing the opponent Center to score around 18-20 ppg.
  
  you can put a guard on Brad and make him ineffective.He does not impose any kind of threat unless he's up against a slow frontline like Yao Ming or Shaq.If a player sticks with him in the high post it takes away his assists plus jumpshots and he tends to become confused which results in turnovers.And did I mention he cant rebound because he's floating in the highpost.
  
  Well if we cant move brad ... how do you guyz feel about signing Joel P and moving brad back to PF ... he can provide the offense that A PF can provide.. and play a poor (very poor) man's Dirk style game from the PF.He hits the three, and most jumpers ...
  
  Brad and Joel would be the slowest frontline in the NBA.Just having a shotblocker doesn't make your defense good.You need someone who's gonna rotate fast and play help defense as well.Plus just imagine how badly PF's would dominate over Brad since PF's are usually quicker.
  
  VF2104-22-2006, 06:29 PMHe doesn't have Drik's range or scorig ability. Even Dirk is a better rebounder than Brad.
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  My own concern about Brad as playoff force have been mentioned repeatedly.That said, basing a trade thread on one game -- and don't even bore me by trying to claim this would be here if he had gone for 18 and 10 -- is more than a little silly.
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  By trading Miller and adding Sammy D we significantly upgrade our Defense and rebounding. not to mention age.He is young and skilled.His offense is a little raw, but he is really improving ... at least when I watch him.
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  We loose some offense because SAR is formidable and Brad did nothing but offense.
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  My own concern about Brad as playoff force have been mentioned repeatedly.That said, basing a trade thread on one game -- and don't even bore me by trying to claim this would be here if he had gone for 18 and 10 -- is more than a little silly.Based on this game we should just trade the whole team.For the Blazers.Because Brad Miller has been a stellar rebounder all year long, and has played stellar defense.Trust me, it isn't jsut because of this game.All this game served for was reinsurance that he needs to be traded.
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  Game that sticks out was against Philly, we still lost, but Brad got 36 and was the only reason we were close in the end anyway.What about that game at New York?He shut down Curry and did some scoring too. he just wasn't into the game today.He is the key to beating the Spurs.And he needs to show on those screens, and Bibby needs to go under them.Make Parker beat you with his jumpshot.
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  Game that sticks out was against Philly, we still lost, but Brad got 36 and was the only reason we were close in the end anyway.What about that game at New York?He shut down Curry and did some scoring too. he just wasn't into the game today.He is the key to beating the Spurs.And he needs to show on those screens, and Bibby needs to go under them.Make Parker beat you with his jumpshot.
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  With Brad Miller on this team the system is totally wack.Our guards are actually expected to go down low and get rebounds over the opposing team's centers and forwards while our own center is waiting behind the arc for a three.I would rather lose offense from our center position for toughness and defense/rebounding.
  
  And I realized something when i was looking at Brad's stats.Brad Miller isn't that great of a passer before comming to Sacramento.He averaged no more then 2 assists during his stay in Indianna and Chicago.
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  Remember Yao? i think the coaches should come up with a special scheme just for Brad, every game, and he needs to work hard on it.
  
  Bricklayer04-22-2006, 10:58 PMAnd I realized something when i was looking at Brad's stats.Brad Miller isn't that great of a passer before comming to Sacramento.He averaged no more then 2 assists during his stay in Indianna and Chicago.Maybe a defensive center can dish out assists like that if they learn our system.
  
  As for the passing -- Brad Miller was ALWAYS an exceptional passer for a center.Why a number of us on here were calling for us to get him before Geoff made the move.He was simply in a system where he wasn't given many opportunities.
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  As for the passing -- Brad Miller was ALWAYS an exceptional passer for a center.Why a number of us on here were calling for us to get him before he Geoff made the move.He was simply in a system where he wasn't given many opportunities.
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  The 2 that stand out the most are Reef and Miller.Im not too concerned with Reef because he doesnt start but maybe its time for both of them to go.
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  Brad has to have his shooting hand taped up.
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  Brad Miller can be replaced.But you better replace him with another center who is as good at what he does as Brad is at what he does.
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  Brad has to have his shooting hand taped up.
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  If we can't get KG, who is similar to the pre-injury Webber, then the Kings would be wise to change their system because they simiply will not find another powerforward, who can complement Brad, in the NBA.
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  If we can't get KG, who is similar to the pre-injury Webber, then the Kings would be wise to change their system because they simiply will not find another powerforward, who can complement Brad, in the NBA.
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  Unless we traded Brad for him, which I don't see.
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  Unless we traded Brad for him, which I don't see.
  
  Aside from that, Kenyon still can't stay healthy.
  
  Yeah, I wish he could stay healthy.He would help our tea

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