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Published on: 12/13/2007
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Senior editor Paul Jay talks with Phyllis Bennis, senior analyst at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington D.C.
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PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR: Phyllis, the White House reaction to the National Intelligence Estimate document remains more or less what Bush said in his press conference when it was first released.
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JAY: So Bush's reaction fundamentally is that this NIE estimate kind of helps his cause.
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We should keep in mind, Paul, we've still seen no evidence that there ever was a nuclear weapons program.
This is simply asserted in the NIE document, in the National Intelligence Estimate document.
JAY: And yet, in fact, you'd think if there was such evidence, it would have been turned over to the IAEA, to ElBaradei, and as far as we know, no such evidence has ever been given to them.
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JAY: Or was.
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JAY: So you would think if the intelligence agencies that produced this document had such evidence, they would have turned it over to him, and he would have been obligated to verify it and react to it.
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JAY: So we know that the White House had this document for quite some time, whether Bush saw it in August, after August, before August.
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JAY: Now, when you look at the substance of Bush's argument and the substance of the NIE report, the report really doesn't take away that knowledge argument, but the politics has.
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JAY: And that seems to be the general tone or tenor of the reaction, that Iran is in fact a rational country, you can negotiate, you can do business, and not the kind of insane image of an Ahmadinejad, which all the media had as their image of Iran as a whole, not just of Ahmadinejad, up until just prior to this report.
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JAY: As ["korb"] pointed out in that interview, it was the mullahs that stopped it, then restarted it again.
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JAY: [crosstalk] they say restarted again, 'cause we still don't know it.
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JAY: And anyone that knew Iran knew this to be the case [crosstalk]--
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JAY: And, maybe the real issue to emerge, at least one of the issues to emerge, is the horrible role of the mainstream media on this issue, who for the last six months have been helping the White House create the atmosphere for a military attack, completely buying into all the nuclear assumptions [cross talk]—
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JAY: Now, all of a sudden, they can do a flip.
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JAY: Well, the assumption that there was a nuclear weapons program [cross talk]
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JAY: [Cross talk] was never in question.