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Mark Driscoll's language does the opposite of help me.
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Mark Driscoll's language does the opposite of help me.
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http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/09/17/john-piper-mark-driscoll-a
nd-harsh-language/#comment-233875 I have been listening to Mark Driscoll lately.I love his boldness to call sin for what it is and his desire for true repentance in both believers and non-believers.I love his ability to teach the scriptures, as well.
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I think that is exactly what is going on here with Pastor Driscoll.I believe Pastor Driscoll should follow Paul's advice and be an example to the believers in word, conduct, etc. Notice that the first item in this list directly relates to speech.Because Timothy would be scrutinized in this very way, he had to rise above and be a truly godly example to others, beginning in his speech.Likewise, Pastor Mark needs to rise above.And I think he knows this.He has expressed a few times the fact that though a pastor should allow for "harshness" and "scatological humor" in his sermons, it should be used very seldom, as is the pattern in the scriptures.Even if this were true, Pastor Mark does not even follow his own teaching on the frequency of this kind of talk.I have heard him say on a couple occasions, after speaking in this manner, "Oh come on.You know it's why you came.It's why you brought a friend!"He is not practicing what he preaches and admits to the (crowd gathering) shock value of his words.I do find it encouraging, though, that he has truly been giving this more and more serious thought through his own studies and under the mentorship of older godly men.I hope and believe that Pastor Driscoll will repent from his inappropriate language and desire to be an "example to the believers in word.."Grace and peace, Keith I have been listening to Mark Driscoll lately.I love his boldness to call sin for what it is and his desire for true repentance in both believers and non-believers.I love his ability to teach the scriptures, as well.
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I think that is exactly what is going on here with Pastor Driscoll.
I believe Pastor Driscoll should follow Paul's advice and be an example to the believers in word, conduct, etc. Notice that the first item in this list directly relates to speech.Because Timothy would be scrutinized in this very way, he had to rise above and be a truly godly example to others, beginning in his speech.Likewise, Pastor Mark needs to rise above.And I think he knows this.
He has expressed a few times the fact that though a pastor should allow for "harshness" and "scatological humor" in his sermons, it should be used very seldom, as is the pattern in the scriptures.Even if this were true, Pastor Mark does not even follow his own teaching on the frequency of this kind of talk.
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I hope and believe that Pastor Driscoll will repent from his inappropriate language and desire to be an "example to the believers in word.."
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So why don't I criticize Mark?Here's how my thinking goes: What's the point of criticizing Mark?Has it not already been done by many here?Would I in any way be adding to the conversation?
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It's ok that you disagree with Mark.
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So why don't I criticize Mark?Here's how my thinking goes: What's the point of criticizing Mark?Has it not already been done by many here?Would I in any way be adding to the conversation?
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It's ok that you disagree with Mark.
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http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/09/17/john-p
iper-mark-driscoll-and-harsh-language/#comment-233299 After reading Nathan's article, attending the DG National Conference along with my wife, two of my fellow pastors and a lay couple, listening to Mark Driscoll there myself and then reading a lot of these posts, I have a couple of thoughts and a few of questions.
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2) Have any of you ever spoken to Mark Driscoll personally?
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That would take courage and I know, Mark Driscoll is so scary; and it would take time; and we might find he really isn't any worse than any of us are!!!3) Have any of you who are so sure Driscoll is so wrong ever stopped to think for a moment that if Jesus were here he might actually view you like he did the Pharisees while calling guys like Driscoll to be one of his inner circle?
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After reading Nathan's article, attending the DG National Conference along with my wife, two of my fellow pastors and a lay couple, listening to Mark Driscoll there myself and then reading a lot of these posts, I have a couple of thoughts and a few of questions.My thoughts:
1) I respect Dr. John Piper for the fact that instead of sitting from afar and lobbing mortar shells at Driscoll he has decided to be a part of the solution and has come along side him, taken him under his wing, and is mentoring him, as is CJ Mahaney and others; and as a result, Driscoll is slowly changing.He was known as the cussing pastor…while on Saturday past he publicly apologized for much from his earlier days of verbal ministry impropriety;
2) In my mind, Dr. Piper showed great wisdom in his discipleship/mentoring of Driscoll by inviting him to speak at a conference where the focus was The Power of Words and the Wonder of God.
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2) Have any of you ever spoken to Mark Driscoll personally?
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That would take courage and I know, Mark Driscoll is so scary; and it would take time; and we might find he really isn't any worse than any of us are!!!
3) Have any of you who are so sure Driscoll is so wrong ever stopped to think for a moment that if Jesus were here he might actually view you like he did the Pharisees while calling guys like Driscoll to be one of his inner circle?
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That is what I was trying to convey to Trevor, Mark using jokes and bad words causes that to be in my mind, and that lower sin nature picks up on it files it and then voila, out of the blue that comes out of my mouth.
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That is what I was trying to convey to Trevor, Mark using jokes and bad words causes that to be in my mind, and that lower sin nature picks up on it files it and then voila, out of the blue that comes out of my mouth.
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Mark Driscoll is a Pastor of a mega church, he is an author, he is the founder of the Acts 29 church planting network, he is a sought after speaker, he has a platform and has the power and ability to affect and influence millions.
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Please send your idea to Piper and Driscoll, they speak from pulpits they are the ones magnifying this, ubelievers are not coming here to hear Karie from Vallejo rant about a cussing pastor, they shame Him in major venues and retreats and conferences and workshops, and books.
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Mark Driscoll is a Pastor of a mega church, he is an author, he is the founder of the Acts 29 church planting network, he is a sought after speaker, he has a platform and has the power and ability to affect and influence millions.
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Please send your idea to Piper and Driscoll, they speak from pulpits they are the ones magnifying this, ubelievers are not coming here to hear Karie from Vallejo rant about a cussing pastor, they shame Him in major venues and retreats and conferences and workshops, and books.