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Father Like Chet

Wrong Father Like Chet?
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Chet, by your definition, the ...
pandagon.net, 26 July 2008 [cached]
Chet, by your definition, the majority of Christians 300 years ago would be atheists.
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Chet, by your definition, the majority of Christians 300 years ago would be atheists.The whole notion of a personal God who's interested in the everyday doings of human beings is a very modern one."
I agree that Chet is way overstating the case; but I think so are you.
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Like, if the minister selects a gospel hymn to sing in the context of talking about Liberation Theology, few young people will storm out of the church because the word "God" is used, though you will have a couple elderly Humanists do so.
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Chet, by your definition, the majority of Christians 300 years ago would be atheists.
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I agree that Chet is way overstating the case; but I think so are you.
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Chet, let me ask you this: why is it so important to you that I use the term atheist, when I find that term inaccurate because I find that ignorance of individual Christians of their own faith traditions and atheists of those traditions they reject leads to ridiculous dualistic presentations of God/No God?
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Chet, let me ask you this: why is it so important to you that I use the term atheist
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Chet, you're starting to remind me of Rev. Lovejoy:
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CHET: Most of them are atheists, the same way the members of most religions are atheists.
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I note, for posterity, that Chet started it.
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Chet - it is in fact harassing people when you take over a forum, accuse people of bad faith arguments, and refuse to actually have some sort of real conversation beyond insults and whining. 'Trolling' is more accurate, I suppose.
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I'm an atheist and I think you're full of it, Chet.
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But Chet, ridiculous word games are part of lots of religions.
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Chet, I wonder that maybe you haven't had much exposure to non-Christians.
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I'm more or less with Chet—why shouldn't the statements "I believe in God" and "I believe God is a metaphor for love, community, and goodness" simply add up to "I believe in love, community, and goodness"?
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I never called atheists "simple-minded"--I simply said that that particular appellation does not apply to me, though Chet would like me to claim that I do out of some sort of rhetorical water-balloon fight.I didn't "drop" in either, I've been reading and commenting on pandegon for years.
Chet: "The truth is better than lies simply because it is the truth.
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I'd like to introduce you to Chet.
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You are obviously a Truthist, Chet.
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Chet would call all such adherents "atheists", I guess.
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Yeah, I know that Chet is infuriating.
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Now, Rabeyah believed very much in God, perhaps even in the way that Chet describes.But it is interesting to note that, like many atheist thinkers, she was horrified by the thought that people would follow religion to gain a reward or avoid damnation.
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Chet, I will also add that you're doing a good enough job of strawmanning yourself by claiming that it's somehow wrong to provide a beneficial lie to someone who is hurting and in pain.
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Like Chet acting as if a statement is false because it isn't or can't be proven true, equating the non-rational with lies!
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I'm glad that your devout adherence to Truth the Almighty Protector of Your Universe brings you such satisfaction, but it would be really ecumenical of you to grant a papal decree that there are other approaches to life and that yours is not the One True Path, holy Father Chet of the Church of Truth.
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Chet is understandably frustrating.
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I have to say that the discussion between Chet and Thealogian has been one of the best threads I have read in ages.
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Chet: So now, instead of God being human goodness, God is gravity?If you're not defining God as the anthropomorphic being who grants wishes and judges the dead, then you're playing a word-game.If you believe that God is gravity and not Santa Claus for grownups, you're an atheist, because you don't actually believe in God.
Faye: I believe that there is a divine spiritual force that permeats the universe. Chet: I don't define you as an atheist, and this idea that the only non-atheist God is Santa Claus is a strawman about me created by Mnem and others.
Seems to me you are changing your argument. Or just hoping people are noticing you were arguing the opposite just a few posts ago.
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I also have no objectin to Chet calling me an "atheist."I am the kind of atheist he is talking about, since I think of God as a metaphoric rather than literal concept.
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If you are using the term God to refer to an abstract concept with no physical reality, then Chet calls you an "atheist."
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And as I mentioned on that thread....if Chet attempted to turn in a paper arguing that Marxist-Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism were not atheistic or that those ideologies became effective religions the way he did....even my most avowed Marxist Professors would ROTFLOL and mark down that paper for its gross oversimplifications and inexplicable conflation of intended/unintended projected political images with the actual underlying reality.
Also, my older relatives and other immigrants who lived under such regimes may want to have a little talk to clear up some of his misconceptions....
exholt on 07/10 at 09:23 PM
Cynikal's belief that Chet switched gears mid-argument is also my own.
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