Those were the words that came out of the mouth of John Hutchings, a legislator for New York's Broome County, who is also a construction market representative for the Laborers International Union for upstate New York.
He is also an executive officer of the Central New York Labor Federation, AFL-CIO, according to his bio.
Project Veritas actors, who portrayed leaders of a make-believe company called Earth Supply
and Renewal, captured the remark in a meeting they obtained with Hutchings
and other union leaders to discuss the possibility (again, this was an act) of winning government grants or contracts for their work.
"You know the Green Jobs, Green New York?
told the actors, referring to a $112-million state weatherization program.
"Between us, a lot of it is bullsh--.
"You know, a lot of that's going for stuff that...." Hutchings
paused, then raised his
hands in the air with a puzzled expression that emphasized the waste of taxpayer dollars and said, "What are we talking about?
"Well I think the key thing is, even if it's bullsh--, I think as long as people are working, that's not bull," Hutchings
"You know what I mean?
Then you're doing a service."
Then after detailing their political connections and three lobbying firms for both Democrats and Republicans in New York and Albany, Hutchings
and Tocci explained how they "push their agenda through" and see that bills that create largely wasteful programs are produced.
Hutchings - apparently recognizing the youth and inexperience he believed the Veritas actors had - cited an example of how Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver might see a grant approved to do the type of work that Earth Supply and Renewal could do, but would not specifically earmark it for their company.
would approve a grant to do that type of stuff," Hutchings
explained, "then we'd have to go out and find places where to dig."
"We can figure out the other stuff," Hutchings
So the implication is that the unions, as a regular practice, often pursue pots of money for which there is no practical purpose or need, and then find creative ways to justify the spending after the fact.
In December 2010, after he
signed the bill into law, New York Gov
"It's awful hard for anyone to vote against a jobs bill right now," Hutchings
said as the meeting closed.
Laborers International Union of North America