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Rev. Jason J. Stellman

Wrong Rev. Jason J. Stellman?

Pastor

Phone: (425) ***-****  HQ Phone
Local Address:  Woodinville , Washington , United States
Covenant Presbyterian Church
22116 SE 51St Place
Issaquah , Washington 98029
United States

Company Description: Covenant Presbyterian Church has been part of the Issaquah community for nearly 50 years. The church of Jesus Christ has spread throughout the centuries as the Holy...   more
Background

Employment History

Education

  • M.Div.
    Westminster Seminary California
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The Federal Vision
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Jason Stellman Abandons the Reformation!
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Doug Wilson on Jason Stellman's Departure
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Jason Stellman leaves the PCA, heads in the direction of Rome
Jason Stellman, longtime critic of the Federal Vision, and the man who brought charges against TE Peter Leithart, has announced that he is leaving the PCA. The reason for his leaving revolves around his changing theology, specifically in regard to Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, both of which he no longer holds.
Peter Leithart « The Federal Vision
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Jason Stellman Abandons the Reformation!
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Doug Wilson on Jason Stellman's Departure
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Jason Stellman leaves the PCA, heads in the direction of Rome
Jason Stellman, longtime critic of the Federal Vision, and the man who brought charges against TE Peter Leithart, has announced that he is leaving the PCA. The reason for his leaving revolves around his changing theology, specifically in regard to Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, both of which he no longer holds.
The Trinity Foundation - Bart D. Ehrman & Daniel B. Wallace in Dialogue: The Reliability of the New Testament
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Finally, PCA Pastor Jason Stellman of Exile PCA in the Seattle, Washington area tendered his resignation letter to the Pacific Northwest Presbytery (PNW) of the PCA on May 31, 2012. What were his reasons? He no longer believes in Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. From his letter to the PNW:
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Stellman was the prosecutor in the PNW's trial of Peter Leithart.
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Stellman had the honesty to resign.
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In July of this year, Jason Stellman wrote a Called To Communion guest post titled "I Fought the Church and the Church Won," in which he explained briefly why he was becoming Catholic. Last week I had an opportunity to talk with Jason about this paradigm change, and the four years of internal wrestling that preceded it.
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The other article Jason mentions in the interview is "The Tradition and the Lexicon.
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Thank you, Jason, for making your own courageous decision.
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In the end, I think Jason is quite right.
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Jason, you say: "the Catholic Church teaches that the Spirit's infusion of agape into our hearts is precisely what fulfills the law."
So why is there still a need for a treasury of merits and a purgatory?
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Jason, you say: "the Catholic Church teaches that the Spirit's infusion of agape into our hearts is precisely what fulfills the law."
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In fact, Jason, this works both ways.
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Jason, you know in your heart that we have been consistent.
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Jason, you say: "the Catholic Church teaches that the Spirit's infusion of agape into our hearts is precisely what fulfills the law."
So why is there still a need for a treasury of merits and a purgatory?
Strictly speaking, as Jason said, there is no "need" for the treasury of merit, as though no one could be saved without there being a treasury of merit to which persons other than Christ contribute. The treasury of merit by which saints are able to aid others in the Body of Christ is itself Christ's gift, allowing others to participate in His redemptive work, and allowing still others to benefit from fellow members in the Body of Christ in this way.
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As Jason has pointed out, Paul himself emphasizes that if we walk by the flesh, we die.
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I will ask you Jason the same question in the Roman gospel you now hold: "What hope do you have when the effectiveness of God's saving grace is dependent on how much you extend effort and cooperate with that, meriting the righteousness needed, avoiding mortal sin, doing penance and atoning for temporatl guilt of your sins in purgatory so that finally you will be deserving of the beatific vision? In the Roman schema, since God's saving grace can be thwarted by the automous will of man, you can only put your hope in your efforts (and the efforts of others when you are in purgatory since merit will not be possible there) that you will not fail or that it is enough that you may gain the beatific vision. Can the gospel you believe now really offer you the perfection of Christ and His full ability to save you not because of your efforts and striving but by the blood of His Son and by His grace?
With regards to WLC 78, I know that you know the context of this. This is the full context Jason:
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You are not yet home Jason.
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There comes a time every few months where some new zinger catch-phrase comes in apologetics, and I think Jason has landed the latest one in post #38. Sanctification always has had an interesting place in Reformed soteriology, but I think Jason chose the perfect description for it: "a footnote of Justification."
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You wrote to Jason above:
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I will ask you Jason the same question in the Roman gospel you now hold: "What hope do you have when the effectiveness of God's saving grace is dependent on how much you extend effort and cooperate with that, meriting the righteousness needed, avoiding mortal sin, doing penance and atoning for temporatl guilt of your sins in purgatory so that finally you will be deserving of the beatific vision?"
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You are not yet home Jason.
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I originally wrote it to Jason, anyway.
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I also pointed out that your second claim (i.e. ". . . makes Jason's case extremely vulnerable") is mere hand-waving.
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I originally wrote it to Jason, anyway.
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JASON: "I sold my dog and bought a cat instead. Both are cute, but cats make better pets because they don't need to be fed, they eat mice on the streets."
ADAM: "But... most people feed their cats, too, Jason. If you don't feed them they might not remain your pets for too long. Your choice is based on an extremely vulnerable assumption."
JASON: "Well... no. Not at all.
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BRYAN: "Jason's position is not incompatible with the fact that most people feed their cats because what cats eat at home is not mice and it is only a supplement to what they eat on the streets, anyway.
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ADAM: "I didn't want to refute Jason's case, I only said it's extremely vulnerable.
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JASON: ... cats make better pets because they don't need to be fed, they eat mice on the streets.
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You might be intending to imply that Jason himself is now vulnerable, because in Catholic doctrine, not everyone who receives the supernatural gift of grace and agape at baptism necessarily remains in a state of grace. That is, you might be intending to imply that by embracing a theological position in which apostasy is actually possible, Jason is more vulnerable than if he were to maintain the Reformed position according to which upon regeneration and faith, final apostasy is impossible. But if the Catholic doctrine is true, then by acknowledging its truth one is less vulnerable to apostasy than if one were to continue to believe falsely that actual apostasy is impossible. So if you're intending to imply that by embracing a theological position that allows for apostasy, Jason is more vulnerable to losing his salvation, your claim presupposes the falsehood of the Catholic position, and thus begs the question.
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I've been through it; so has Jason. In the end, as Jason said in the podcast, "truth wins.
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I came here to understand why Jason had made such a puzzling and - to my mind - incomprehensible step when he left Protestantism and joined the Roman Catholic Church.
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But Jason was a friend.
Secondly, I followed Jason's argument in the interview very carefully. He explained that there is a duplex beneficium Christi in the Protestant theological tradition, but this double benefit is made unnecessary in the RC system by the single benefit of Spirit-wrought righteousness that fulfills the law.
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This shows that, contrary to Jason's claims, there is a need for perfection even in the RC paradigm in order that we can enter into glory and have the beatific vision.
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And thirdly, I would prefer if Jason answered my question, but it's O.K. if he doesn't want to.
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This shows that, contrary to Jason's claims, there is a need for perfection even in the RC paradigm in order that we can enter into glory and have the beatific vision.
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Second, you claim that the Catholic doctrine of purgatory "shows that, contrary to Jason's claims, there is a need for perfection even in the RC paradigm in order that we can enter into glory and have the beatific vision. The problem with that claim is that Jason has never claimed that perfection is unnecessary for entering glory and having the beatific vision. He agrees (with you) that perfection is necessary for entering glory and having the beatific vision. But in the Catholic paradigm there is a very important difference between fulfilling the law by having the essence of the law, and fulfilling the law by following the law to the letter. This is what I was explaining in comment #29, and the links embedded there. When Jason speaks of God accepting the "imperfect" righteousness of Zachariah and Elizabeth, he is referring to "imperfect according to the letter," since they were not without venial sin.
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Not Jason, but his case.
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I raised a question to Jason and it's O.K. if you think you've answered it.
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Jason makes this point in the podcast; see "The Tradition and the Lexicon" article linked in the post at the top of this page. Of course there is no requirement that you embrace the Catholic paradigm, but the goal in Catholic-Protestant dialogue aimed at coming to agreement concerning the truth is at least to see the other paradigm, such that one's criticisms of the other paradigm are not question-begging, as would be the case if you were claiming that the question should be decided on the basis of exegesis.
If you are correct that even according to Jason Spirit-wrought-agape-fulfilling-the-law is not enough for the perfection that is needed for final salvation (I didn't hear Jason say that), we are still e
Federal Vision « The Federal Vision
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Jason Stellman Abandons the Reformation!
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Doug Wilson on Jason Stellman's Departure
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Jason Stellman
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Jason Stellman leaves the PCA, heads in the direction of Rome
Jason Stellman, longtime critic of the Federal Vision, and the man who brought charges against TE Peter Leithart, has announced that he is leaving the PCA. The reason for his leaving revolves around his changing theology, specifically in regard to Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, both of which he no longer holds.
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