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I am posting the following message for Don Roley with regard to the current thread.Don has put together an *extremely* thorough library of information during his stay here in Japan, covering Japanese history & martial arts in general, and ninjutsu in particular.I felt that his sincere offer of access to "the Roley Collection" could prove useful to the discusion at hand.As Don is not a member at Kutaki (or to my knowledge, any other internet forum at this time), if anyone would like to get in touch with Don, please feel free to PM me. Please understand that besides training in the Bujikan here in Japan, I also work a full-time job, with full-time (Japanese) hours, which often prevents me from responding to PM's immediately.
My name is Don Roley
, my message to you is being posted by a friend of mine.
...Some thoughts from the relayed letter by Mr. Roley:
has more or less answerewd his
own questions.Essentially what he
wants me to do is turn up on his
door step with my documents.This stance contains the assumption that it is necessary for Mr Don Roley
to veryify the sources - otherwise they are not verified.
I really should know better but regardless, perhaps you could direct his
attention to the following observations.
You will not show your sources...due to (in my eyes) a very flimsy excuse.This tells us that Mr Roley is not a historian and does not understand the procedures of formal, academic history.
I'll modify my arguments accordingly.When I am finished with my thesis, I will scan these documents to the highest resolution I can and put them on a My Space site or something similar and post the link here.
Could you ask Mr Roley
in what way do I risk professional ruin?Plainly he
has made up his
mind that I am a liar.Is he
suggesting that he
will set about trying to ruin me himself?
So again, please extend my invitation to Mr Roley
to attend my public defense of my thesis in September 2008.
Here Mr Roley
, a practiced, it seems, internet debater seeks to counter my argument before I make it.You make the boast on his
behalf that he
When something threatens the little niche they've carved out for themselves, they lash out like Mr Roley
has done here.They also jealously guard access to their stuff and its contents as Mr Roley
has done here, not because people he
sees as liars can build arguments around it (or more likely, because real historians can show up it's shortcomings), but because if everyone has the information then he
is no longer important.
Remember the end of Mr Roleys article on Koga Ryu where he
claims to know of contemporary styles of martial arts directly rooted in Koga Ryu?He
won't tell you who they are in case fake Koga Ryu groups incorporate this information into their stories.As one blogger astutely points out, in this he
appears comically like the Koga frauds protecting the identities of their alleged teachers. (Thank you to the private messenger who drew my attention to this.)
Well, the fact of the matter ...
Well, the fact of the matter is Don Roley can read Japanese and has provided resources.
Mr. Roley, martial arts historian Ryozo Fujiwara, Koyama Ryutaro, Mr. Tanemura and Hatsumi can't prove those Gyokko, Koto and Togakure schools existed (being taught, trained or used) one generation before Takamatsu.
Just ask Mr. Roley he
is your living witness.
That is why he
never responds to those particular statements.
You and others are knit picking.
I believe he
existed but not that he
did all the things that was said.
First, you have given credit to Mr. Roley who is not an historian by profession but is an enthusiast.
knew these things too.
That's another reason why he
wasn't receiving an apology.
Don seems to be a gifted amateur historian from what I have seen from his writing and discussions.
If I recall from his ?MySpace? page he has a BA in the material and seems pretty serious about it.
speaks and reads Japanese.