For example, that Christian band Pawn, if you allow them into the school, they will burn the Star of David
and the Koran and convert all your children to Christianity.
...Supposedly, their band's manager, Dave Kleeberger, is behind it all.
got the school board to check with their lawyers in Akron.
got the Akron lawyers to recommend that the Rossford school
cancel the concert because the lawyers thought the concert "wasn't appropriate."
got the school to agree with the lawyers and cancel the concert.
got the Toledo Blade
to cover the story and publish it on the front page of their newspaper.
got Matt Drudge to post a link to the Blade story on the Drudgereport
got a local TV station to cover the story.
got the Fox News channel to interview Pawn
got local and national radio shows to discuss the story.
got other news outlets to mention the story.
got other websites to mention the story.
Holy shinola.With that much power and control, maybe Christians should be praying to Kleeberger
instead of God.Or maybe mathematicians should bow down to Kleeberger
, since that's some serious calculating.
...Just because Mr. Kleeberger is on the school board doesn't mean that that is the soul reason that Pawn was invited to participate in the assembly.
...I cannot believe Rossford School Board Member Dave Kleeberger is seriously thinking of taking the Rossford School System to court.
Wouldn't this be a conflict of interest?Wouldn't he
be, in a sense, suing himself?
..."I cannot believe Rossford School Board Member Dave Kleeberger is seriously thinking of taking the Rossford School System to court."
What? Where do you get the idea that it's only Dave Kleeberger
behind the potential lawsuit?Deal with reality, Guest.Wake up.There are a lot more people behind it than just Dave
From that three-page letter sent to the school earlier this week:
"A considerable number of the members of this community, parents, students and concerned leaders, as well as the members of the band themselves, have joined together to express their disapproval over the recent cancellation of Pawn
's scheduled performance at Rossford High School
Now, I'm a just a lowly graduate of a public high school so I could be wrong, but the above paragraph seems to imply that more than one person is involved.This is not just about Dave Kleeberger
"I cannot believe Dave Kleeberger
is seriously thinking about...to court" I have never heard Dave
indicate any interest in doing so.
...Since Kleeberger is on the Rossford School Board now I see why he doesn't mind suing the Rossford School System.He
is being encouraged to do so! posted by Guest at 02:28 A.M. EST on Thu Jan 06, 2005 #
, as Pawn
's Manager, is forcing his
own school district to waste many thousands of dollars defending a lawsuit that he
is encouraged to create by a right-wing Christian political action committee.Considering that Kleeberger
is also a school board member, how responsible are his
actions for the welfare of the District?Or, could it be that he
is one of those individuals (above) who was encouraged to run for a school board seat in order to re-Christiaize a public school system? posted by Chaz at 06:02 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 06, 2005 #
It's sad that another Board member besides Kleeberger
sees no fault in having a Christian message delivered in Rossford Public Schools
Jr. you just pointed the blame at "school officials" thus implicating David Kleeberger
in the process as well.Congratulations!
is not planning to sue Rossford
.Are you paying attention at all?Obviously not.Dave's
been staying out of this as much as he
can.I heard that he
did not participate in the vote the school board conducted earlier this month because of the conflict of interest, you moron.
I realize pukes like you want to continue to wallow in conspiracy theories that somehow Dave masterminded this whole fiasco to give Pawn
publicity.And you continue to ignore the real issue which is viewpoint discrimination, which I'm sure you have no idea what that is, because you're too lazy to look it up. posted by jr at 04:43 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 24, 2005 #
Oh okay, so Dave Kleeberger
is "not planning to sue Rossford
," the Rutherford Institute
is for Pawn
is "staying out of it as much as he
can" though his
son is in the band, he
is the band manager and he
is on the school board.How stupid do you think I am?Or, better yet, how stupid are you?Looks like Dave
is knee deep in a pile of crap to me.Not to mention all the crap he
has been feeding to the public.MORE TO FOLLOW ON THAT!
So Jr. - please tell me again how Dave
is "staying out of this as much as he
And if Rossford
gets sued by Dave
, the Rutherford Institute
, Jesus or whomever, well, like I said, that just makes me sick. posted by Guest at 01:18 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 25, 2005 #
As far as Dave
is concerned... He
was elected by over 600 more votes than any other candidate for the school board because he
cares for the community and the people know it.An anti-drug, anti-alcohol show was set up (religion not included) as a benefit to the community from people who care- the band and Dave Kleeberger
.That was why the show was scheduled.If you really believe that Dave
orchestrated this thing, this is what you would have to believe- that Dave
Set up the concert: (False)According to the bi-laws of the school's constitution, the only person who can do this is the principle and it was he
who contacted Dave
.Canceled the concert: (False)Only the superintendent can get the glory for that decision.The School board decided to do a non-vote on the issue- Dave
abstained from the non-vote vote out of his
own free will.However, Dave
adamantly tried to get the school board to reverse their decision and save them from possible litigation.This can be found in the school board minutes.He
went as far as trying to personally contact each school board member with information as to why the concert should continue.This is common knowledge to everyone involved with the process.If it was Dave
orchestrating this whole thing, he
would have remained silent as the rest of the board took their bus off of the cliff, but he
cares for the community too much to be silent on the matter.Start media exposure: (False)The Blade article was initiated by a prayer chain the author was somehow involved with.The drudge report picked it up from there.Dave
doesn't personally know anyone from either media source, and even if he
did, the story would have had to have been newsworthy to have been printed.
After finding a post that disregaurds and doesn't even recognize the system of checks and balances purposefully put into place in our school systems, so that events similar to this one cannot happen based on the actions of a single individual, leads the reader of such posts to one of two possible conclusions: that the one posting is either unable to be honest (due to some bias)in his/her viewpoint, or that he/she is unable to grasp the essence of how the system works / has no understanding of it.
Concerning litigation- The band is not currently incorporated.Basically, "Pawn
" as a group cannot be represented, only individuals can be represented.Futhermore, you need to know that Dave Kleeberger
son are not ivolved in any form of litigation agaist the school.Only some of the members of Pawn
are considering it.
Several administrators made some really bad decisions and I feel that they should be held accountable - and I do believe that David Kleeberger
is one of those people.
They held the meeting, immediately voted to go into executive session (private meeting for board members and administration only) where the ONLY vote AGAINST going into executive session was Dave Kleeberger's
Futhermore, just to clarify some things concerning Dave- He
has two kids in the Rossford
school system right now.One is going to graduate this year, and another has 3 more years of school left.Both are honors students , play football and are great kids.Dave
hates the idea of the school getting sued.He
hates the idea that his
own kids are going to get ridiculed over this issue and over what seems to be eminent litigation.He
has tried literally EVERYTHING he
can to stop litigation.Here is a list of everything he